Honda Pilot driver brake checks and ultimately causes my friend to crash this morning.

"TheRallyStache" (bryce-the-hoonigan)
05/26/2016 at 23:16 • Filed to: Hon-Duh, Subaru, Road Rage

Thankfully, Subaru makes a very safe vehicle and he was not injured. The Honda driver did not stop after the crash to see if he was okay. This happened this morning in Grand Rapids, MI.

Edit: I completely agree with everyone’s assertion that he was following too close and was driving stupidly. I will also admit I have done the same on occasion, and have no expectations of being wrecked for it.

The primary issue at hand is that brake checking makes the driver feel self justified and because the law would say my friend is at fault, they see nothing wrong with doing it, and yet things like this happen and it is quite clearly very wrong.

DISCUSSION (100)

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:19

I’m glad he was ok. But what on earth was that radio show?

CB > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:19

Your buddy was riding pretty damn close, but the Pilot driver is an asshole. Hopefully your buddy gave a copy of this to the cops.

Trunk Impaired 318 > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:20

That was pretty bad, glad to hear he was alright.

That One Kid in HS > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:20

Damn. I hate people like the one in the pilot who refuse to get over.

Life and Times of Magoo: The People's Champ > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:20

WHAT THE FUCK

qbeezy > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:22

Glad he’s alright, but why instigate someone who already brake checked you?

fintail > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:23

He has a plate number, now he can go to work.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:23

On the one hand, your pal has odd taste in radio gossip shows and was tailgating.

On the other hand, I would be lying if I claimed to never have never tailgated a left lane hog, and that kind of brake-checking is totally uncalled for. Hopefully they catch the dick. Also guessing this will make the front page.

Bengal55 > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:25

A few things to be learned here.

1) If you’re going slower than the flow of traffic, use the right lane.
2) Don’t brake check, you could easily kill someone.
3) Don’t tailgate, else you run the risk of what happened above.

I’m glad to know your friend is alright, hopefully they’ll be able to track down that Pilot (And press appropriate charges) and he’ll learn not to ride that close to someone in front of him.

Life and Times of Magoo: The People's Champ > qbeezy
05/26/2016 at 23:26

.....I didn’t even think about that. Why the hell would he roll back up on them.

E90M3 > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:27

That’s why you drop it a couple cogs, open the sun roof, give that mofo the bird as you fly past in the right lane, then slam into third when they try to catch up.

Milky > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:27

I’d happily take a ticket for tailgating if they get a felony for leaving the scene of a crash.

Fuck that person and this is also why I just pass on the right.

Slant6 > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:28

I don’t think the Honda broke any laws.

Life and Times of Magoo: The People's Champ > E90M3
05/26/2016 at 23:28

This

Slant6 > CB
05/26/2016 at 23:31

If he shows this to the cops they’ll just find that he’s completely at fault. The Honda was breaking no laws and the camera car was tailgating.

Slant6 > fintail
05/26/2016 at 23:32

And charge the guy for what?

facw > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:33

Seems likely there is some reckless driving catchall that could come into play. Also almost certainly a ticket could be written for failure to keep right.

Slant6 > facw
05/26/2016 at 23:33

But the honda was passing. If he wasn’t then the driver wouldn’t have had to avoid the guy in the right lane who was moving slower.

Not all passes have tone blow doors off.

yitznewton > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
05/26/2016 at 23:34

I just tailgated a left-lane hog briefly on the Garden State Parkway coming home tonight. So I see both sides: hogs are jerks, brake checkers are actively evil, and it’s not all that hard to avoid getting pwned by them. OP: sorry about your friend’s loss!

Spaceball-Two > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:34

I’m glad your friend is ok. I give that about a 60/40. Honda driver being dickish.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > yitznewton
05/26/2016 at 23:35

I’m not the OP

fintail > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:36

Dumbfuck in the Honda had plenty of room to move over, nobody in that lane.

fintail > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:36

aggressive driving

Or just get his data from a snoopy person and serve up revenge, it’s a dish best served cold, you know.

fintail > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:37

Is that your professional legal opinion, or?

Slant6 > fintail
05/26/2016 at 23:37

Tell me what law he was breaking.

facw > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:38

Who was he passing? The right lane had plenty of room for him to get over. There was a car way up ahead, but he was not especially close, and even if he had been close when the accident occurred, he definitely wasn’t when the right lane became clear (by the same token, I have no idea why the guy who crashed didn’t just pass on the right as soon as possible given that he was dealing with an obviously dangerous moron.

Slant6 > fintail
05/26/2016 at 23:38

Yes the guy with the camera was agresive. But the Honda was just trying to pass.

Berang > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:38

Wreckless driving, I’d imagine.

facw > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:39

Hope if nothing else the Pilot’s insurance company sees this. This is not someone you want to insure.

fintail > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:39

You get honked at a lot as you camp in the left lane, don’t you?

The dumbfuck had completed the pass some time before he brake checked. He needed to speed up or get over.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:39

If he was commenting on YouTube at the time, my bet is Godwin’s Law

yitznewton > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
05/26/2016 at 23:39

edited

Slant6 > Berang
05/26/2016 at 23:40

The guy that crashed was the only agresive one.

The Honda was just passing.

fintail > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:40

Not sure where you live, but aggressive driving earns citations.

Slant6 > fintail
05/26/2016 at 23:40

But the Honda wasn’t agresive. The guy that crashed was.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > E90M3
05/26/2016 at 23:40

And or click it down into twoooo

fintail > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:41

Brake checking is considered aggressive driving. Are you just trolling or are you this dense/young/slow?

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:41

I don’t think whatever driving was being done in the left lane with that white Acadia way up there on the right could really be considered passing

Berang > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:41

Slamming on the brakes for no reason is definitely wreckless, and apparently can be considered assault too:

https://jimcorleylaw.wordpress.com/2012/08/03/sla…

Slant6 > fintail
05/26/2016 at 23:42

Get back into the left lane, and then stay there for 2 seconds before he has to pass the guy he was passing again?

Flavien Vidal > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:42

Few things:

- Your friend is an idiot

- the honda driver is a fucking dumbass

- Your friend deserves a tailgaiting ticket

- The Honda driver deserves to be sent to jail for reckless driving, staying in the passing lane for this long for no apparent reasons and fleeing the scene of an accident THAT HE caused.

So yep, the Honda driver is a fucking psycho and your friend is dumb and needs to stop tailgating people like that.

Opposite Locksmith > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:43

Your friend follows way too close

Milky > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:43

I just googled it and came back with this from an attorney’s site or something.

To be found guilty of 2nd Degree Assault in this context, the state must prove 4 things:

1. That the front car driver committed an act with the intent to place the driver of the second car in fear of immediate physical harm

2. That the front car driver had the apparent ability at the time of the action to actually cause physical harm

3. That the driver of the second car (or any other person in the area) was reasonably put in fear of physical harm; and

4. That the front car driver was not legally justified, or acting in self defense.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > E90M3
05/26/2016 at 23:43

Or do what I do: stay a safe distance back, two or three quick flashes, then pass on the right and keep on keeping on.

Slant6 > Berang
05/26/2016 at 23:44

He had a reason though. How else do you suggest to someone to back off? Neither of the brake checks where severe, just enough to get the lights on.

fintail > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:44

You mean the right lane.

Yes, that’s how it works in civilized countries. You should get out more often. 2 seconds? Bullshit.

You get honked at a lot, don’t you? Probably flipped off and yelled at, too.

-this space for rent- > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:44

The Honda may be violating a road rage type law. But the fact remains that camera car should back off once the lead car starts getting aggro.

The choice of radio makes me question many of the life choices made by Subaru driver.

E90M3 > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
05/26/2016 at 23:45

Nah, second gear tacked out is about 65ish, 3rd is 90-95, I’ll be honest I have dropped it into 3rd on occasion on the highway, the last time I did it some left lane hog was doing 65 in a 70, and it spun the tires when I down shifted (yes I rev matched). 3rd is for putting people back in their place on the highway, like that toyota tundra that’s been tailing you for a couple miles.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
05/26/2016 at 23:45

ignore the second never

Urambo Tauro > Milky
05/26/2016 at 23:46

this is also why I just pass on the right.

^This.

If myself and the car in front of me are both passing someone, and the other driver fails to merge back over before I get my chance, I’m claiming the right lane via signal, and taking it for myself.

iaintafraidofnoghost > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:47

Uh..... what?! That the front car driver committed an act with the intent to place the driver of the second car in fear of immediate physical harm.

In terms of driving consequences:

1. Leaving the scene of an accident

2. driving erratically / reckless driving

3. failure to return to the right lane

In terms of being sued by this dudes friend:

He can sue them for civil assault. They intentionally slammed on their brakes .

Subaru is clearly at fault and basically incriminating himself, but if you are going to walk away with a totaled car you might as well take the honda bro down too.

Slant6 > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
05/26/2016 at 23:47

I could.

Have you ever passed someone and then realized they were keeping a safe following distance from the car in front of them traveling at the same speed and just stayed in the left lane to pass them?

The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:47

I cant be the only person who totally thought that was an in car conversation then was really confused during the one second of the crash where the conversation keeps going without any reaction to the the crash and then keeps going as if nothing just happened once the car came to a stop, before finally realizing it was a talk show.

Also, I can’t be the only one to expect a WRX(?) to be more stable maneuvering at highway speeds?

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:48

Pilot did nosedive both times.

E90M3 > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
05/26/2016 at 23:48

I prefer to just turn the brights on, hot damn they’re bright. I was driving back to Corpus Christi from San Antonio one time and there was this pickup in the left lane that was going about 70 in a 75, so instead of flashing them, I put the bright on, reflecting off the tail gate I was like damn those are bright.

DrJohannVegas > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:48

Since folks want to know the laws in Michigan, I’ll step in until Steve arrives.

Tailgating: “The driver of a motor vehicle shall not follow another vehicle more closely than is reasonable and prudent, having due regard for the speed of the vehicles and the traffic upon, and the condition of, the highway.”

Not staying to the right: “(1) Upon each roadway of sufficient width, the driver of a vehicle shall drive the vehicle upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:

(a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing that movement.

(...)

(2) Upon a roadway having 2 or more lanes for travel in 1 direction, the driver of a vehicle shall drive the vehicle in the extreme right-hand lane available for travel except as otherwise provided in this section. However, the driver of a vehicle may drive the vehicle in any lane lawfully available to traffic moving in the same direction of travel when the lanes are occupied by vehicles moving in substantially continuous lanes of traffic and in any left-hand lane lawfully available to traffic moving in the same direction of travel for a reasonable distance before making a left turn.”

iaintafraidofnoghost > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:49

You be the bigger person and move the fuck over instead of instigating a crash. Brake checking is one of the dumbest things you can do while driving. Why would you risk your own life to prove a point?

Milky > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:49

The second brake check was severe enough to cause an accident. And you know they could have just moved over like they were supposed to anyways. The whole keep right except to pass thing.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:50

Not with a car behind me I haven’t. If there’s a car behind me obviously wanting to pass and more than a semi truck length between the two cars in the right lane, I move over and let the guy by.

facw > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:52

Move over (again there was plenty of room). Otherwise, just ignore the driver behind you. The worst thing that would happen if you ignore them is that they would rear end you if you had to slam on your brakes. In the situation where someone might rear end you if you slammed on your brakes, slamming on your brakes is pretty much the dumbest thing you can do.

Flavien Vidal > -this space for rent-
05/26/2016 at 23:52

Both are idiots, but only one is a fucking psycho. Tailgating does not mean you can crash and potentially kill the tailgater. If someone is speeding and coming toward you, it’s not ok to suddenly change lane in front of him to make him crash... same principle apply here.

Dusty Ventures > Flavien Vidal
05/26/2016 at 23:52

...I agree with all of this

fintail > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:53

We’ve all dealt with tailgaters before. I just gently let off the gas and let them pass (it’s always on a 2 lane road with me, when I am out in my old car and don’t care to speed). Never fails. No drama. No instigating. I’m not insulted when someone passes me, and I understand lane discipline. Others should read up on it.

Slant6 > iaintafraidofnoghost
05/26/2016 at 23:54

A few things here.

The Honda never had any intention of putting the Subaru in any harm. Why would you want someone to rear end you? The only thing the Honda wanted to happen was for the reckless driver behind him to get off his tail.

How is this leaving the scene of an accident? The Honda was traveling at speed away from the accident before during and after it happened. Even if the Honda could somehow be held responsible for this how do you expect him to stop in traffic? Slam on his brakes?

He was obviously passing the car that the Subaru crashed to avoid.

Flavien Vidal > Dusty Ventures
05/26/2016 at 23:55

I hate tailgaters. But when someone tailgates me, I move over... My middle finger exists for a reason.

Slant6 > Milky
05/26/2016 at 23:55

But they were passing.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > TheRallyStache
05/26/2016 at 23:57

At least the Honda’s plate number can be pulled from the video. I’d expect the state police will politely ask why he left the scene of an accident.

Slant6 > iaintafraidofnoghost
05/26/2016 at 23:57

So he was supposed to move over and go into the car the other car crashed to avoid?

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Life and Times of Magoo: The People's Champ
05/26/2016 at 23:57

I would’ve definitely gone by on the right after the first brackecheck

Berang > Slant6
05/26/2016 at 23:57

No. He didn’t have reason. You can’t just slow down or stop willy nilly anywhere on the road anytime, just because you feel like it. If the car in front of them slowed down or was turned or had an accident, then they’d have reason to. Further, according to the article “sending a message” to another driver is what makes it assault.

While the Subaru driver could have prevented an accident by following at a safe distance, that doesn’t change the fact that the Pilot driver’s actions were reckless.

Slant6 > fintail
05/26/2016 at 23:58

The funny thing is that the crash probably backed up the left lane more than the Honda could even if it tried.

iaintafraidofnoghost > Slant6
05/27/2016 at 00:00

You need to learn the rules of the road. Brake checking is viewed by the law as intentionally trying to incite fear/cause an accident.

By brake checking you are now part of the party in that accident. If you leave, you get in big trouble.

He seems pretty good at slamming on his brakes, so maybe. In all seriousness... slow down and pull over like a civilized human which as shown by the video he/she clearly is not.

That car was far up and the Honda had plenty of time to move over.

Slant6 > Berang
05/27/2016 at 00:00

We could probably argue this more. But I don’t feel like drawing diagrams or typing more.

Tailgating is bad. Break checking is bad. Being in the left lane is bad.

I just want to bring up that the camera car was the biggest left lane hog here though. The crash probably blocked it for hours.

iaintafraidofnoghost > Slant6
05/27/2016 at 00:02

Plenty of distance for him to move over and then get back into the passing lane.

Dusty Ventures > Flavien Vidal
05/27/2016 at 00:03

Unfortunately here in Massachusetts if you’re not within three car lengths of the driver in front of you they assume you don’t to want to pass and stay in the left lane. So I do sometimes get up someone’s chuff briefly in the hopes of them moving over, but I never stay there. If they don’t move over I back off, give them a few more seconds, then proceed to pass them on the right.

Slant6 > iaintafraidofnoghost
05/27/2016 at 00:03

Ok. Fine. I can’t justify brake checking. You win there. But equally you can’t justify tailgating. Both are wrong.

But one caused the other.

TrustMeImAnEngineer, but I'd rather be an InternationalArtThief > TheRallyStache
05/27/2016 at 00:04

Can we make it a thing that when one passes, they match the speed of the left lane to pass, then can go back down to whatever speed they want in the right lane? I feel like a lot of these problems with people in the left lane are because they think they’re passing multiple cars at once (over a long distance) but its only a ~5 mph speed differential. If you’re going to pass, pass like you mean it and don’t hold up cars behind you while doing it. Should be pretty simple, right?

MossInTheUSA > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
05/27/2016 at 00:04

Morning radio is pretty abysmal here in Grand Rapids. There is no good choice, which is why I usually listen to nothing.

Slant6 > iaintafraidofnoghost
05/27/2016 at 00:05

The camera car could have just been the bigger person and just maintained a safe following distance until it was safe to pass on the right.

How else do you deal with someone you can’t communicate with and has no intention of changing lanes?

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > MossInTheUSA
05/27/2016 at 00:06

Pandora is your friend.

iaintafraidofnoghost > Slant6
05/27/2016 at 00:06

At no point did I say tailgating wasn’t wrong. You said you couldn’t see how the Honda broke any laws and I gave a list of the laws he/she did brake (shitty pun). As I said before, why risk your life for a few seconds to move over and move back. Nothing is worth losing your life or causing someone else to lose theirs because you can’t be the bigger person.

His Stigness > Slant6
05/27/2016 at 00:06

Brake checking presents a very weird situation. In California at least an officer would cite the Subie for following too closely (CAVC 21703), and he would further be at fault, and cited, for his turning motion which caused him to lose control and roll (CA VC 22107). So on both accounts he is more than 50% at fault, which in California makes him at fault.

The Honda however can be cited in California for reckless driving, or road raging as the video shows there was no reason to brake in such a way. But law enforcement does not place fault, and if you are 49% at fault you are not at fault. He can still be cited though.

His Stigness > TheRallyStache
05/27/2016 at 00:07

This is why we don’t tailgate people!!!

iaintafraidofnoghost > Slant6
05/27/2016 at 00:08

If I’m being tailgated? I move over. I have a family and I’m not going to risk jeopardizing my life or limbs because of some reckless idiot behind me.

I’m not going to contribute to their recklessness by adding more reckless driving (brake checking). There is no winning in that situation for anyone.

Slant6 > His Stigness
05/27/2016 at 00:08

I guess the Honda did break a law. But at the same time the Subaru is being a jerk here.

Flavien Vidal > Dusty Ventures
05/27/2016 at 00:09

Yeah it’s not that much of a problem here... But if it is, I’ll pass on the left (because Japan). It’s funnier at night, since dropping in 3rd and passing the zombie at the wheel in front of me usually offers him a nice backfire that brightens his night lol.

Left-lane hoggers (right lane for me but you get it) are terribly annoying. I love Germany for that.

His Stigness > Bengal55
05/27/2016 at 00:10

It won’t do him any good as he’ll be found more than 50% at fault for tailgating and also making an illegal turning motion which caused him to lose control.

Slant6 > iaintafraidofnoghost
05/27/2016 at 00:10

OK. I was wrong. Happy?

Counter point, why can’t the Subaru be the bigger person and not tailgate?

His Stigness > DrJohannVegas
05/27/2016 at 00:11

You should also add the pertinent MI VC section similar to California.

22107. No person shall turn a vehicle from a direct course or move right or left upon a roadway until such movement can be made with reasonable safety and then only after the giving of an appropriate signal in the manner provided in this chapter in the event any other vehicle may be affected by the movement.

I quote CA because A: I live here. And B: the tailgating section you quote is almost the exact same as California.

DrJohannVegas > His Stigness
05/27/2016 at 00:13

I’ll try again to find it. Was looking for sudden braking or lane change language, but I wasn’t looking THAT hard.

(I assume you are referring to something about sudden lane changes, because that language doesn’t seem to apply to braking.)

iaintafraidofnoghost > Slant6
05/27/2016 at 00:14

No idea. Like I said in my other comment I’m not willing to add in more reckless because of an asshat behind me. There were no winners in this video.

I’ll only be happy if you learned from this conversation that you should move over instead of brake checking (potentially jeopardizing your life, the life of the driver behind you and the life of others on the road.)

I’m not saying any of this to be a dick or be right or wrong. I’m saying this because I don’t want to see anyone get hurt. You, dumby sub driver, squirrel on the side of the road, etc etc. Save travels friend.

Flavien Vidal > Slant6
05/27/2016 at 00:16

*Reckless Driving (the “I’m in front saw a rabbit attempting to cross the road, how could I be at fault” excuse is a myth. Brake checking is heavily punished in many states and chances are Michigan is included)

*Left lane clogging (plenty of time to get back on the right lane)

*Leaving the scene of an accident he caused and obviously saw.

Other driver does deserve a ticket for tailgating for sure, but at least he is not a freaking psycho, he is just dumb.

DrJohannVegas > His Stigness
05/27/2016 at 00:18

Update:

I didn’t find similar language, but I did find this:

Sec. 636.

(1) The following rules shall govern the overtaking and passing of vehicles proceeding in the same direction, subject to those limitations, exceptions, and special rules stated in sections 637 to 643a:

(a) The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction shall pass at a safe distance to the left of that vehicle, and when safely clear of the overtaken vehicle shall take up a position as near the right-hand edge of the main traveled portion of the highway as is practicable.

(b) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle on audible signal and shall not increase the speed of his or her vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.

(2) A person who violates this section is responsible for a civil infraction

Flavien Vidal > Slant6
05/27/2016 at 00:20

Yes, this is how it works. You pass. Then you get back to the right lane and then you pass again. And 2s?? The pass was largely completed at 35s into the video... The crash occured at 55s and he still hadn’t passed any other car and cosnidering how slow he was driving, he still had a good 10/15s before even reaching the other car. That’s called left lane hogging.

iaintafraidofnoghost > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
05/27/2016 at 00:22

The music for this clip is so fucking perfect.

TheHondaBro > TheRallyStache
05/27/2016 at 00:26

If you want someone to move over, flash your highbeams at them. You do NOT tailgate.

Slant6 > iaintafraidofnoghost
05/27/2016 at 00:34

I don’t know if I’d say I learned something.

I’d say that being a left lane hog is safer than tailgating any day. People hang out in the left lane and nobody knows why. Maybe they’re old, confused, distracted who knows. The best way to deal with them when incountered in the wild is to just back off and pass them on the right when it’s safe to do so. That’s all you can do.

If you’re being tailgated of course you get over. But only if you can. If I’m passing someone while doing the speed limit there is no reason to lick my bumper. I also like to have a full view of the car im passing’s grill (roof for semi trucks, they need more space) in my rear view before I merge back.

I feel like people here think they’re better than a lot of people on the road. Often times I think this false self confidence makes them dangerous.

The video had accounts of what not to do when encountering either a tailgater or a left lane hog.

I’ll amend my original statements by saying that both were at fault, but the Subaru was the bigger jerk here. Since he was the car we had eyes in and since we don’t know how the Honda justified his actions the Subaru could have changed the outcome by just laying off.

Safe travels.

Slant6 > Flavien Vidal
05/27/2016 at 00:36

We don’t know why people left lane hog. We never will. The only thing we can do is pass on the right when it’s safe.

Slant6 > Flavien Vidal
05/27/2016 at 00:39

The Subaru was left lane hogging when it crashed.

I consider passing going faster than a car in front of you. If I pass one car and see 2 more ahead going slow I stay left and pass them too. This isn’t left lane hogging, it’s just an extended pass. And it’s legal in NC.

iaintafraidofnoghost > Slant6
05/27/2016 at 00:40

I don’t tail gate. No winners. You said in another post that you believe brake checking is the only option which is what I was getting at.

And I agree the subbie contributed. Was just talking to the other points you were making. Have a nice weekend.